Same Sex Marriage Blogalogue

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Tony Jones’ at  The New Christians blog and Rod Dreher at Crunchy Con blog are engaging in a Same Sex Marriage Blogalogue.  I am hopeful that this will be a helpful conversation for all of us who seek faithful discernment concerning one of the most controversial issues of our day.  However, I have to say that I have been disappointed to find so many comments containing declarations that Tony is not a christian and other hate filled messages.  Still, I think this is an important conversation and hope that things will settle down to a more civil discourse.

Tony began the blogalogue by clarifying where he stands on the issue of same sex marriage…

I now believe that GLBTQ can live lives in accord with biblical Christianity (at least as much as any of us can!) and that their monogamy can and should be sanctioned and blessed by church and state.

I hope you will check it out…and remember to be civil and courteous if you comment.

6 thoughts on “Same Sex Marriage Blogalogue

  1. gracerules Post author

    Cindy, Thanks for stopping by and you are so very welcome. I don’t know where things have gone so wrong that so many christians seem to look for what they can disagree with. I liked Ben’s comment and I thought it was obvious why Tony chose it. I also felt very sad about the majority of the responses. Thanks for caring too.

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  2. cindy

    thanks for your well-weighed and loving comment at tony’s blog regarding Ben’s comment of the day. (I tried to find an email addy for you so I could send this personally…) Ben is a friend of mine– who calls himself agnostic and found tony’s blog through me. I don’t know if he’s seen all the hateful responses or not, but it made me ache to think what damage those folks could be doing to the heart of a very kind man…
    so- thank you.

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  3. gracerules Post author

    Jerald – Your last sentence reminded me of a Billy Graham quote that I like- “It’s the Holy Spirit’s job to convict, God’s job to judge, and my job to love.”

    I too am glad that we can both talk about this issue in a kind and civil way and appreciate your approach.

    Some reasons I am not comfortable declaring that scripture condemns sexual relationships between same gender individuals are:

    1. Although Lev 18:22 and 20:13 does say that homosexuality is an abomination, no one I know believes that we should obey Lev 20:18 or Deut 22:13-21 or Deut 25:11-12

    2. 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 AND 1 TIMOTHY 1:10 include the Greek words “malokois” and “arsenokoitai” Greek scholars say in the first century malokois probably meant effiminate call boys. The new revised standard version translates the word as male prostitutes. Arsenokoitai is a word that Greek scholars don’t really know what it means and the fact that we don’t really know what it means is a problem. It was 1958 when someone decided it meant homosexual. Some scholars believe Paul was referring to the customers of effiminate call boys – we might call them dirty old men.

    3. Jesus never spoke about homosexuality.

    I am not saying that I know anything for sure – just that I don’t see the bible being clear at all.

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  4. Jerald

    I totally agree that IF scripture doesn’t condemn homosexuality then, within a monogamous relationship, it would not be immoral (I guess). But that’s a really big ‘IF’. Thing about it is, even looking at the original language and the original social setting, the Bible does seem to condemn that kind of lifestyle.
    And again, I realize that many learned Christians disagree on certain parts of the Word. There are libraries full of those kinds of differences of opinion.

    That still leaves the main issue that the Bible does talk about the sinfulness of a sexual relationship between same gender individuals regardless of how ‘loving’ or monogamous the relationship may be.

    By the way, I really like your approach to this really emotional issue. It’s obviously near and dear to your heart. I believe that the church should be very careful not to alienate homosexuals but would love them while showing them Christ. It’s the Holy Spirit that convicts of sin, not you or me.

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  5. gracerules Post author

    Jerald, thanks for stopping by. I agree that the truth is always the truth. The problem is determining the truth. For example – in the past many sincere followers of Christ believed that scripture supported slavery and condemned interracial marriage. I believe it is foolish of us to be so certain that we have everything figured out at this point. Do I know the “truth” about this issue? I thought I did at one time but after taking some significant time to delve into the scriptures myself and consider the context and the original language I am not so sure that scripture condemns homosexuality. If not, then homosexuality practiced in a monogamous relationship would not be immoral.

    When you speak of “biblical” Christianity I am concerned that you may really mean “christianity according to your interpretation of the bible” … I am concerned because I am sure you could find sincere followers of Christ that don’t agree with you about everything you believe scripture is saying. I think we all have to consider that God may be shaking his head in amazement about some of the stuff that we sincerely believe we know the truth about – including the definition of “biblical” Christianity.

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  6. Jerald

    I realize that Jesus has mandated that we love our neighbors. I also realize that the fulfullment of Christ’s mandate to make disciples of the entire world would mean that we take the message of redemption from sinful lifestyles to a world that really needs to hear the truth.
    And biblical Christianity means that behavior such as sexual immorality is classified as something that is standing in the way of a right relationship with God. Actually I’m at a loss to find anywhere in scripture God’s acceptance of any sexual relationship what is other than with a man and woman in marriage.
    So, how can a homosexual relationship be sanctioned by the Bible? I just don’t get it. It’s just not there. You can have all the opinions you wish but you won’t find any passage of scripture that sanctions sexual immorality.
    There are a lot of reasons that the above statements are true and there may be a lot of debate as to those reasons being viable in a modern society. The debate can go on but the truth is still the truth.

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